This just disgusts me. Please take the time to visit this link and sign the petition at the bottom to have this garbage banned....


http://humantrafficking.change.org/blog/view/amazoncom_sells_instruction_manual_for_pedophiles#

It's already been banned, yo. Just saw it on CNN a couple of hours ago.

@Anon: Well, good. Glad that Amazon took it seriously. It bothers me that they even put it on there to begin with.

it bothers me too. i shop amazon frequently. :(

I read an entry about this earlier today. It's sick.

It also looks like Amazon has pulled the e-book.

gross!

Signed. Sadly if it is not sold on Amazon I am sure it can be found somewhere else.

this is disgusting! i really hope they stop this. stuff like this should be banned everywhere.

@ Lady Burt: it HAS been banned off Amazon. Unfortunately, it's made it's way to the torrents and other download sites. It should be considered the same as Child Porn and anyone caught with it should be prosecuted as such.

oh okay. yeah i agree.

@ music god of bloop, it isn't the sort of 'guide' you would expect, there were some exerts on timesonline, it isn't how to be a peadophile, it was more how to control urges and where to get help, 2/3 were also about various treatments, such as chemical castration and how to voluntarily have constant monitoring of your internet, and to ask to be placed on sexual offenders registers.

@ Transit - do you have links about this?
Not that I don't trust you, but I feel like if that was the purpose of the book, then people would have made sure to make that clear instead of getting all up in arms about it.

Yeah I do, however you have to pay to access timesonline, you can pay a fee for just 24 hours though, I think it is only about £1.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/

@Transit...I don't believe that for a minute. The guy has said in NUMEROUS interviews that his intention for the book was to show people how to do it WITHOUT harming the children in the process.

I also think that if it was the case as you stated, he could have and WOULD HAVE taken the time to come up with a MUCH more suitable and less offensive title for it. I HIGHLY doubt Amazon is going to take the extreme step of banning something without checking it out themselves and making sure what the uproar is about.

The problem is this isn't the only pro-pedophilia book being sold by Amazon. There are other pro-pedophile books (as well as videos) popping up in the closer scrutiny of Amazon since this book was publicized. So even though they've taken off this particular book, I'm not done boycotting them. In fact, they could take all of the similar items off and I STILL wouldn't be done boycotting them. I'm done with Amazon.

As for "not the kind of guide you'd expect"...

The opinion of a woman who bought the book so she could say she wasn't boycotting just because of the title and actually knew what was int he book: "'There is discussion of “appropriate” sexual activities between minors and adults, including discussion of contraceptives. There are pornographic accounts of sex between minors and adults. The plight of pedophiles is compared to the plight of the Jews during World War II. There are made up words. It IS a how to, and a how-to-not-get-caught.

Excerpts straight from the book:
*As long as both partners have passed the age of majority, there is no question of pedophilia. So, a ninety-year-old is not a pedophile if its partner is thirteen and they both live in New Mexico. [yep, telling them how to do it and get away with it because hey, it doesn't matter if the kid is still a minor as long as they've reached the age of majority]

* Do not imagine that you have been given a mere code of ethics. Instead consider that the nectar of love has been given from the hand of compassion and grace. To this the eye of truth and fairness doth witness. Ponder upon this, O people of vision. [does this soud like any sort of admonishment to pedophiles to you? Sounds to me like he's openly approving of it]

Other excerpts reported are very clear...the "manual" tells the pedophiles how to make a condom for boys under the age of 13 and how to masturbate legally to children's images.

It doesn't matter if 99% of the book talks about how the pedophile can get help for their disgusting desires. The fact of the matter is that even if it's just a small part of the book that is very openly pro-pedophilia and tells them how to get away with it/do it better and is borderline pornographic in nature it still provides a manual for how-to and should not be allowed on the shelves. Period.

@Sn*w White: That's exactly it. I'm also done with Amazon. If I need a book from now on, I will check out my local Used book store.

As for what kind of book it is...I don't HAVE to read it to know what kind of book it is. The Title is pretty self-explanatory. It is wasn't about that, the author would have taken much more time and care to come up with something that clarified what it was about. It also bothers me greatly that this has made it to the torrent and other sites where it can be downloaded freely now.

@MGoB: Amazon didn't put the listing up. To my knowledge, it was a user listing that received a backlash, so Amazon took it down. Amazon had nothing to do with it, and I don't think they need a boycott.

I agree with Anonymous Source.. you can self publish on Amazon.. someone could write a book about how to properly pet a cat and put it up there.. Amazon has no say in it...

Also, the authors other books (about the same subject) were also on barnesandnoble.com when news of this first came out.. but they removed it before getting flack. I dont see anyone boycotting them.

BY THE WAY: I do not approve of the book. REPEAT. DO NOT. but boycotting Amazon is silly.

Amazon may not have been boycotted had they not tried to justify continued posting of the book instead of just saying "Oops, we made a mistake, we're taking it down right now, we're very sorry this got past us". Amazon does have say in it, as they have shown in the past with removing a few other items. Even if they don't have a part in reviewing prior to posting, they still have a say in removing it upon finding out what it's about. But they didn't, they openly continued to justify the posting of the book and didn't remove it until it became the huge ordeal it became. Perhaps that is why Barnes&Noble wasn't boycotted...they took IMMEDIATE steps to remove it instead of justifying it.

this falls under the whole 1st Amendment.

As someone else said on a different board: "Does the pedo have the first amendment right to make such a book available for download? Yes. However, does Amazon have to sell it? No, b/c they're a private business. However, among other very diturbing things, Amazon currently sells books on how to: be a successful murderer for hire, make silencers and fake documents, grow/create your own drugs, make bombs and boobytraps, how to stalk men/women/children, etc. If the other books are sold on amazon, then amazon SHOULD sell this pedo's book too. To do otherwise is to hypocritically censor what content it will sell while invoking first amendment protection on ALL other content. It doesn't make any sense."

Found on: http://forums.kffl.com/threads/280044-Didn-t-See-a-Thread-on-the-Amazon-Pedophile-Controversy/page5?s=974b130b92bddf20253a05ee27365dfb#ixzz1633qxNlx

Amazon was trying to save their ass.. in return it made them 'look bad'.. oh well mistakes are made. I still shop with them.. and will continue to. Same with Walmart and Target.. (people are boycott crazy)..

eh I'm done.. I'm not gonna argue with people I dont know *shrug*

...the Supreme Court has identified seven kinds of expression that the government may regulate to varying degrees without running afoul of the Free Speech Clause: (1) core political speech; (2) speech that incites illegal or subversive activity [promotion of pedophilia falls under this category]; (3) fighting words; (4) OBSCENITY and PORNOGRAPHY [it is my understanding the book gets pornographic in spots as well]; (5) symbolic speech; (6) commercial speech; and (7) student speech.

Check out 2 and 4. Sorry, but this book (as well as the others you mentioned) does not fall under the freedom of speech/freedom of expression clause. Nor do those others you mentioned.

And I'm curious how this is arguing. You stated your opinion, I stated mine. Last I heard, that was discussion. Has the definition changed and I wasn't aware of it?

You (ok, *I*) know it's time to walk away when I start repeating myself in the same posting.

Just to make myself clear, I'm not telling anyone they need to stop shopping at Amazon. This was MY choice, and I'm not saying anyone who doesn't make that same choice is wrong or bad. You have your reasons, I have mine. I simply stated my reasons for my choice. And now that I've said everything I could possibly say ABOUT my choice, I'll not be posting more on the subject. Not that it mattered when I did post. I often wonder if anyone really pays attention to anything said in the forums anyway. *shrugs*

Anyway, I hope everyone has some Happy Holidays, whatever holidays those may be!

I said I was done.. bc if we were to continue I know someone would start an argument. This is how boards go. You and I bother know this. There were no angry words in my post, nor was I calling your points wrong.. was just saying I thought it was silly. Last board I participated in, I was called a pedo myself bc I still shop there. I dont want this going there also. See what I'm getting at? Stop while I'm ahead.

and to go by #2, then the 'how to' books on illegal subjects (murder, drugs) should be banned also, but no go.. it's all hypocritical. You see no one boycotting bc of those... its all just silly to me.

I wanted to send this via message, but I can't. Thought I could. *shrugs*

I understand your thoughts on the hypocrisy, and I completely agree. Which is why *I* will no longer be shopping with Amazon even though they removed the specific book in question. I had no idea the kinds of books they sold until all of this started coming out. I can't help to support them anymore. And while some people may find my actions silly (or apparently *dumb*), it's just how *I* feel about it and I don't think it's fair for anyone to judge it as silly or dumb just because *they* would do it differently (I know you didn't say anything like that).

I also want to assure you (not that it matters to you what I think of you) that I have no opinion on you or your character just because you choose to continue shopping with Amazon. And I certainly never entertained the notion of you being a pedophile yourself (I find jumping to those kinds of conclusions absolutely preposterous). As I said before, we each have our own reasons and it doesn't make anyone wrong.

Anyway, I hope you have a great evening!