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3 Feb 2009, 14:08
CWB

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No aspiring poets on Bloop, really? I find that hard to believe!

I guess I'll get the ball rolling. Most of my limited publications have come from poetry, with one short story being my sole other publication. The ambitious, creative part of me loves to plot out epic novels - but at the end of the day, it seems to be poetry where my heart (and talent, I'm told) tends to lie. I don't often post my work to Bloop, as my regular readers don't seem to read it, haha.

But I'm a member at AllPoetry.com as C.W. Bush. Anyone else here a member?
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3 Feb 2009, 14:29
I'm not a member there... but before the crash I posted most of my poetry/song lyrics on here... I suppose I will repost them sometime in the near future.
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25 Feb 2011, 16:03
DeathAngel

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where is good to get critiques? i used to use poetrycastle but it has become hard to recieve critiques as noone leaves more than three wprds such as that was good ect.
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25 Feb 2011, 19:54
Anonymous Source

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I remember people used to get pretty harshly critiqued back before the forums even existed. It was brutal -- most of the poets either left or stopped posting their work.

Not that their work was any good, but people were assholes about it.
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26 Feb 2011, 12:54
Estella

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Really? Gosh, I totally missed all that drama. I once wrote a poem about Bloop and poop and everyone loved it! ;D It even got onto RC!

I assumed people were praising people's rubbish poetry - that's what always happened on OD, back in the day. I once made a fake diary there and wrote the most atrocious emo poetry, to parody all the crap people were writing. People totally took it seriously and posted how deep my poetry was and how it moved them!
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26 Feb 2011, 13:39
Greta Garbage
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I'm a member of allpoetry.com (my user name is Starry-Eyed Surprise), too but I haven't been there in a while.
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25 Feb 2011, 19:43
Estella

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Most of the poets left. The Bloop crashes were too much for their delicate souls! ;D
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25 Feb 2011, 20:54
kein mitleid

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*cough* Your poetry = Garbage *cough*
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25 Feb 2011, 22:32
Bellatrix Lestrange

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I'm not a fan of poetry.

But people shouldn't leave or stop posting their poetry because they get offended by critics.
Um, why post in the first place when you KNOW you're going to get critics?
Your poetry sucks balls! So what? xD.
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26 Feb 2011, 01:49
Aubrey;

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@Bellatrix -- I think there's a difference between being a critic ("Your meter is off" or "your imagery doesn't come across very vividly") and being a jerk ("This is the worst piece of garbage I have ever read.").

I would get offended if I got a lot of the second type because it's just mean. But critiquing by pointing out what is wrong is actually helpful to the writer -- if the writer is receptive, and I try to be. :-)
I don't do poetry though - just fiction.
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26 Feb 2011, 12:58
Estella

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Honestly, I'd say you're one of the few people who actually welcomes criticism! Maybe because you're actually focusing on writing as an art form which you'd like to improve on, and you're able to separate it from yourself as a person. I've observed that a lot of internet 'poets' seem to see their writing as a pure form of their soul or something, so if you point out a certain thing that doesn't quite work, it's like you've insulted their very soul! ;D
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26 Feb 2011, 13:42
Greta Garbage
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I welcome criticism. I don't welcome rude comments though.
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26 Feb 2011, 14:10
Estella

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I don't think I've ever come across your poetry. And I don't critique poems - only prose. With poems, I only ask questions about what a person means by a certain phrase, but this often offends people too. What one person sees as a genuine question, another may see as rude, because they don't want to be questioned or they assume some hidden meaning behind the question. I guess because a lot of poets like to use hidden meanings, they are more likely to assume everyone else does too!
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26 Feb 2011, 21:25
Greta Garbage
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@Gosh: I used to have a poetry diary a long long time ago and posted in an old group diary called The Writers Association. Nowadays I have a few poems on my diary (used to have a lot more pre-bloop crash - both of them) and I am on Friends Only. I don't mind questions but I can't sit here and say I never get offended either. It depends on how someone asks or what they are asking. Sometimes someone says something or asks something in a way to be intentionally rude. I don't like that. But if you approach it right, I am happy to answer them!
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26 Feb 2011, 23:05
Aubrey;

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@ Gosh - well, I can't get better if I don't know what I need to fix. I used to get insulted, but I've learned that it's pointless.

I think your point about poetry is correct -- poetry is usually more personal, so I can understand why people tend to take it personally when someone critiques their poetry. But they shouldn't be overly insulted. If someone's going to get huffy when they are critiqued, they shouldn't share their art/poetry/etc with other people.
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27 Feb 2011, 00:21
Rhapsody

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I wouldn't say that poetry is more personal (prose writer speaking ... lol) it just seems more intense because in poetry, every word is essential whereas in prose, we can drag that single line phrase of thought into an entire page if we wanted.

I am not really one for poetry myself otherwise I wouldn't have gotten my degree in writing prose, however, after a workshop I took I can appreciate it. I think that poetry has a bad rep because of the people out there who think they are being so deep because they are able to stack double meanings onto a word. I also find poetry to be incredibly evasive.
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27 Feb 2011, 00:41
Aubrey;

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@ Rhapsody --
Compared to fiction, a lot of times poetry is personal. When I write fiction, I'm not writing about myself. I've noticed that a lot of poetry tends to be about the writer or something personal to them. And I did say "usually", so it's not *always* true. But that's how it seems to me -- especially when it comes to amateur writers.
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27 Feb 2011, 00:44
Rhapsody

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Prose is personal. It just has the opportunity to be fluffed into more than stanzas. That fluff allows there to seemingly be a disconnect, but it's still personal.
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27 Feb 2011, 01:16
Aubrey;

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@Rhapsody --
Well, yes. Anything that you write is personal, because it comes from your mind/heart/soul/whatever and you're connected to it.

But what I meant to say, and I guess I am not clarifying this correctly, is that the writer is more likely to take criticism against their poetry personally.
If someone tells me that my character is a stupid jerk and that I can't write descriptions to save my life, that's not going to hurt me as much as if someone says that the poem I wrote is stupid. I guess I can't explain it properly, but "IN MY OPINION" poetry comes across as more of a personal baring of the soul than fiction does. You're entitled to your own opinion, but I don't happen to agree.
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27 Feb 2011, 02:02
Estella

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I know what you mean. In terms of what people write online, on an amateur basis, on a site like this, prose tends to be a story about characters, whereas poetry tends to be direct self-expression of a person's own emotions, generally painful ones. Hence people can separate themselves more from their prose, however much the prose is based on their own personal feelings and experiences (which it's bound to be, to a greater or lesser extent), because the presence of characters creates a sort of distance between yourself and the feelings. You have somehow separated them from yourself and placed them in the context of fictional characters in a fictional situation.
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27 Feb 2011, 11:49
Aubrey;

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@Gosh - As usual, you said it better than I could. :-)
In my personal experience, poetry has always been much more painful to write than fiction.
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27 Feb 2011, 06:04
Rhapsody

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There wasn't a need for the stresses. I understand that you side with poetry being more personal. I only felt the need to stand up for the topic I spent $46K learning to master.
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27 Feb 2011, 11:51
Aubrey;

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@Rhapsody - I'm not sure why you had to stand up for anything? I wasn't bashing either poetry or prose, only indicating that I feel poetry comes from a much more personal place than fiction does. I personally enjoy writing fiction more, but that doesn't mean that I feel poetry is worthless. They are both good art forms.
I'm also not sure what your degree has to do with the topic, but congratulations, I guess?
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27 Feb 2011, 17:46
Rhapsody

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I major in Creative Writing Prose.
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26 Feb 2011, 14:17
Bellatrix Lestrange

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@ Aubrey; :
Yeah, there is, but it's all an opinion at the end of the day.
An artist [actor [me!], writer, poet, artist, etc.] need to be prepared for all sorts of opinions.
The good, the bag & the mean opinions.
Personally, if someone was commenting on my acting, drawing or writing, I'd prefer them to make it constructive.
But if they make a rude comment... *shrugs*

Lol. I love fanfiction! I used to write a lot but I've been suffering from writer's block lately |:
But I do love reading it! FanFiction.Net FTW!!!
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