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Energy-efficient traffic lights can't melt snow
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16 Dec 2009, 07:05
Simply Mom
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MILWAUKEE – Cities around the country that have installed energy-efficient traffic lights are discovering a hazardous downside: The bulbs don't burn hot enough to melt snow and can become crusted over in a storm — a problem blamed for dozens of accidents and at least one death.

"I've never had to put up with this in the past," said Duane Kassens, a driver from West Bend who got into a fender-bender recently because he couldn't see the lights. "The police officer told me the new lights weren't melting the snow. How is that safe?"

Many communities have switched to LED bulbs in their traffic lights because they use 90 percent less energy than the old incandescent variety, last far longer and save money. Their great advantage is also their drawback: They do not waste energy by producing heat.

Authorities in several states are testing possible solutions, including installing weather shields, adding heating elements like those used in airport runway lights, or coating the lights with water-repellent substances.

Short of some kind of technological fix, "as far as I'm aware, all that can be done is to have crews clean off the snow by hand," said Green Bay, Wis., police Lt. Jim Runge. "It's a bit labor-intensive."

In St. Paul, Minn., for example, city crews use air compressors to blow snow and ice off blocked lights.

Some communities began installing cool-burning LEDs more than a decade ago, and it wasn't long before drivers started complaining about the problem.

Illinois authorities said that during a storm in April, 34-year-old Lisa Richter could see she had a green light and began making a left turn. A driver coming from the opposite direction did not realize the stoplight was obscured by snow and plowed into Richter's vehicle, killing her.

"Would the accident have occurred if the lights had been clear? I would be willing to bet not," Oswego police Detective Rob Sherwood said.

Authorities said dozens of similar collisions have been reported in other cold-weather states, including Iowa and Minnesota.

Not every storm causes snow to stick to the lights, but when the wind is right and the snow is wet, drivers should beware, said Gary Fox, a traffic engineer for the city of Des Moines, Iowa.

Exactly how much a technological fix will cost is unclear, but it will surely cut into the savings and the energy efficiency many cities are enjoying.

Wisconsin, which has put LED bulbs at hundreds of intersections, saves about $750,000 per year in energy costs, said Dave Vieth of the state Transportation Department. LEDs installed seven years ago are still burning, while most incandescent bulbs have to be replaced every 12 to 18 months, he said.

"With LEDs we have energy savings in excess of 80 percent, and we don't have to have crews replacing them as often," Vieth said. "So it's clear the overall savings are pretty significant."

In Minnesota, where authorities have upgraded hundreds of traffic lights to LEDs, the Transportation Department occasionally gets reports of an obstructed light. But by the time a highway crew arrives, the wind has often knocked out the snow and ice, said traffic systems specialist Jerry Kotzenmacher. Minnesota is experimenting with weather shields.

One reason there have been so few deaths is that drivers know they should treat a traffic signal with obstructed lights as a stop sign, traffic experts say.

"It's the same as if the power is out," said Dave Hansen, a traffic engineer with the Green Bay Department of Public Works. "If there's any question, you err on the side of caution."
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16 Dec 2009, 12:30
Acid Fairy
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Awesome, I love snow ;D
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16 Dec 2009, 19:32
♥ jes
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I don't understand why people don't treat it like a stop sign? If there's a traffic light that isn't working in my town, that's how people here treat it. Then again, I don't live in the city. Regardless, you would think people would be smart enough to do that. /shrugs.
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17 Dec 2009, 06:43
Beautiful Lies
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I live in Minnesota and while I can say that in the 10 years I've lived here I've never really seen snow obstructing traffic lights so much that I can't tell what color it is, snow does stick to signs (stop signs or even street name signs) and it's a pain in the ass.

As far as stopping and treating it like a stop sign, it kind of depends on how fast you're driving. Unlike a broken streetlight where it's flashing red and you can see it, an obstructed light (especially to someone not familiar with the road) looks like nothing. Obviously you're not going 75mph on a residential street or any of that when it's snowing, but if you're going 25-30 miles an hour and it's slushy and/or sticking to the road it's a pain in the ass to stop. So it depends on when the person can see the obstructed light/intersection (which isn't as easy as it seems when the snow is comin' down hard and it's pure white until you get right up to the intersection). I've noticed a lot of times when there's snow on the road and I'm slow cruising, even at about 20 mph it's hard to stop unless you start putting on the brakes pretty far back there...and lets not even start with the ice and fishtailing all over the road when you try to stop a little more quickly than you'd like.

I hope to hell they figure out how to fix this...and soon cos the snow is not goin' anywhere!
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17 Dec 2009, 09:15
jessica.
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Especially with this last storm.
I had to start braking forever in advance from the stop light.

I was going like 2mph and I still slid at the light.

Stupid slushy snow. >=|


It doesn't help that people around here are stupid and speed in the snow. Honestly.
And now these lights?
I hate Milwaukee. It's official.
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17 Dec 2009, 09:15
Jessica [Private]
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OH LOOK. POSTING FAIL!
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16 Dec 2009, 11:24
Let It Be
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Great idea, horrible drawback. Though I wouldn't think it would be too hard to find a solution to the problem, like if they installed some kind of heating device that they could activate during storms. So sad for the ones who've died because of it, maybe these type of lights would be best in areas that don't get snow until they can fix that problem. What I hate is when it's really really bright outside and the sun hits traffic lights the wrong way and you have no idea what color it is.
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16 Dec 2009, 18:53
Zombie Steve
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That's sad. $750,000 is a lot of money to save, hopefully they can fix the problem.
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16 Dec 2009, 22:39
~RedFraggle~
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This would never be a problem here as we never get that much snow! :(
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