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My OB said WHAT?!
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4 Apr 2011, 04:32
Blitch. [+1]
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Have you mama's heard of this website?!

http://myobsaidwhat.com/
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4 Apr 2011, 05:59
Jessica [Private]
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Dr: “Let’s rupture your membranes for you.”
Mother: “I am pretty sure they already ruptured. I told the nurse that I felt a slow gush.”
Dr: “You’ve had an epidural. You probably just wet yourself.”
Doctor then procedes to insert and manipulate the amni hook, then stops abruptly.
Dr: “And that would be your baby’s head I am poking.”


I would have taken that hook and stabbed that doctor right in the eye.
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6 Apr 2011, 08:06
~RedFraggle~
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@Patchwork Princess: I can't believe an obstetrician would be so stupid. An epidural doesn't necessarily take away ALL feeling. And anyway, if anything an epidural might prevent someone from passing urine (hence requiring a catheter, if the epidural is working REALLY well and they can't tell that they need to go. It's often not necessary though)... it doesn't make them wet themselves!
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6 Apr 2011, 17:11
Jessica [Private]
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@Red Fraggle: I wasn't aware that an epidural numbed you (I've never had one ;D)

I just couldn't believe he went in there poking the baby's head with the water breaking hook! I mean I know they're not sharp or anything (as far as I'm aware, they look like a crochet hook?) but still! Isn't there a way to like feel and see if the water is broken before jamming a little stick in there?
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6 Apr 2011, 17:55
~RedFraggle~
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@Parchwork princess: He wouldn't have been poking the head with the hook. As it said in the quote, he could feel the baby's head. I would be very surprised if an obstetrician didn't examine a woman with their hand first before attempting to break the waters, and from what the quote says I'd take it to mean that he examined first and was surprised to feel the head.

As for amniohooks and methods of ARM themselvs, it's not really my area, so I know little about the techniques used. but my experience is that midwives and obstetricians usually don't do any procedure without examining first.
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6 Apr 2011, 17:57
~RedFraggle~
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@Patchwork princess: I reread the quote... I can see why it sounds like he was poking the head with the amnihook. But I'm also not sure how the woman could be sure he'd inserted it, given that it's difficult to see from up there and she had an epidural! Like I say, I'd be surprised if an obstetrician didn't do an examination first, but then a lot of the things American obstetricians do surprise me. :P
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4 Apr 2011, 09:18
an empty frame.
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Woah I have no idea what this is about but it sounds BAD
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4 Apr 2011, 14:15
Fiat
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That site is both funny and sad. I had a submission published there a few months ago, actually. My doctor said the following after my first daughter's birth: "Yeah, once you get that sonofabitch outta there, you feel much better!" Uh, what did you just call my sweet child? Ugh.
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4 Apr 2011, 14:20
Acid Fairy
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Lmfao I can imagine when I have kids I will be calling the child all sorts of names ;D
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4 Apr 2011, 21:20
xoxo♥
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LOL ;D
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4 Apr 2011, 20:39
love♥nik
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.... Wow. Wonderful bedside manner that is.
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4 Apr 2011, 15:15
ღPhoenix
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wow...this site is interesting...

My ob asked me if i was going to get an epidural with my son..... because "no one gets prizes for being in pain...and it would help me a great deal".....
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4 Apr 2011, 16:25
Chris
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@Zombeh: I don't get it... do epidurals hurt babies?
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4 Apr 2011, 20:27
Mojo Jojo
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@Anon No, but they CAN slow and complicate labour. In the UK, they're given by request. In the US, they seem to be almost routine. Red Fraggle can give infinitely more in depth explanations!
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5 Apr 2011, 20:48
~RedFraggle~
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I so need more time to respond to this, but in brief, the epidurals we use this days with low concentrations of anaesthetic shouldn't prolong labour directly. What might prolong it is the fact that once you have an epidural you are confined to bed and can't move around. Epidurals do not increase the risk of c-section. There is an association between epidurals and an increased incidence of assisted delivery (e.g forceps) but this is believed to be because the women who are most likely to request an epidural (first baby, inductions, baby in OP position, i.e. 'back to back') are already more likely to need assistance.

Personally, despite the fact I put in epidurals on a regular basis, it would not be my first choice for pain relief in labour. The main reason being that they are not risk free (but the risks are to the mother, not the baby), and I don't think a 1:200 risk of a really severe headache (post dural puncture headache) which prevents you properly caring for your baby, should be taken lightly. So personally I'd use natural methods (moving around, pool), then gas and air, then narcotics (preferably remifentanil as it's the most effective but currently only available in a small number of units), THEN if I still wasn't coping I'd have an epidural. But my mum had very quick labours, so mostly I'm hoping when my time comes I'll be the same!
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5 Apr 2011, 20:51
Mojo Jojo
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@Redfrag I can't imagine anything worse than not being able to feel my legs in labour. Just giving birth on my back was bad enough (though entirely my own fault, there was no medical reason, was just too scared to move in case labour stopped...strange thought process). I found moving around, sitting on the loo and breathing during contractions very effective until the very end.
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4 Apr 2011, 23:51
Fiat
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Epidurals can often lead to further interventions as well, such as the need for augmentation (synthesized oxytocin). For women who want to avoid being immobile and hooked up to machines (like me!), it's best to try other methods of pain relief before resorting to epidural anesthesia. I had a completely intervention-free birth two weeks ago and it was very manageable for me as far as pain goes - and recovery was a breeze!
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5 Apr 2011, 18:17
.November.Butterfly.
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mm yes much more intevention, like the lovely forceps prime example :(
would love to hear your birth story! want as much inspiration of positiveness as possible!
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5 Apr 2011, 20:40
Mojo Jojo
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SUZI:
Giving birth is something you need to trust in yourself that you can do. Because you CAN do it and this time will be SO much different to the first time.
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5 Apr 2011, 23:11
Fiat
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I have a 3-part birth story posted publicly on my diary. Feel free to read it! I had a lot of fun writing it because it was so positive for me. :)
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4 Apr 2011, 15:52
Blitch. [+1]
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I'm very glad my doctor/nurse/hospital were all very open to what I wanted.
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4 Apr 2011, 18:40
HorrorVixen XO
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@madetoshine: wow that was really rude of ur OB!!! -smh-
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4 Apr 2011, 20:34
Mojo Jojo
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I keep being forced to watch A Baby Story by my mother (because obviously, at 39w pregnant with a second baby, I need to see that over and over again...) and the whole US approach to birth is so different to how it is in the UK. It's almost a matter of course to be induced, for seemingly no medical reason and then given an epidural with no evident explanation or consent at like FOUR cm. Then the poor woman lies there like a beached whale for fucking HOURS until they announce she is ready to push, at which point she pushes ineffectively and ends up with an episiotomy, which is helpfully pixellated out. Seriously, I must have watched that programme 30 times over the last few weeks and I've seen TWO natural (ie, no induction, no augmentation, no epidural, no assistance) births on there.

I've only had the one baby thus far (but hope this one comes out in the next couple of weeks), and it was a spontaneous, natural delivery at 40+4. I never even SAW an obstetrician during my brief hospital stay. The next one's being born at home, hopefully, so I shouldn't see an ob this time either. And on seeing this site, I am GLAD.
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4 Apr 2011, 23:49
Fiat
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You are completely right! I loathe A Baby Story for this very reason.
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5 Apr 2011, 02:11
starsmaycollide
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Well those shows are always terrible! Just so you know Americans think so too. :-P

But, to be fair-epidurals are always only given with consent. The usage of them is high for several reasons. The induction rate is part of it (I agree we induce too often) , but in addition, many hospitals here typically don't have as many options as are made available in the UK. When a woman's choices for pain management (beyond natural coping measures liker positions, movement, etc if she is trying for a med free birth) are pretty much IV meds that make you feel loopy, versus numbness, people prefer being numb so they can be present. It depends on your facility where you live but that's the choices for a lot of people.

And a large majority of us have limited choices for birth in general. In my state, I had to have an OB. Even if I could find a nurse midwife for prenatal care (which is very rare in my area) she would not be able to deliver my baby. Only OBs can, under our state law.

I really wanted a med free birth, and had very supportive nurses and OB. I walked, I used the birth ball, I breathed the best I could. But, I ended up needing pitocin when my son was transverse and labor would not progress. . At that point, I got the epidural. Thankfully, it actually sped up my labor and I had him less than 4 hours later.


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