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Glenn Beck's Rally
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27 Aug 2010, 17:39
Chris
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Anyone headed to Washington to "reclaim the Civil Rights" movement, with Glenn Beck?

Yes, Glenn Beck.

The Civil Rights movement.

Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Carrie Prejean, Sarah Palin, Chuck Norris, and Dennis Miller.

The civil rights movement.

Anyway, is anyone going? Don't be shy, you can tell me. Really. No one will judge you.
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27 Aug 2010, 20:08
Jessica [Private]
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I have no idea what that even is.
But obviously my poor ass is not going. ;D
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29 Aug 2010, 20:11
Lovin'MyLittles
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I have no idea what this is. Info? Please =]
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30 Aug 2010, 00:12
foreverglow
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*chokes* civil rights my ass. i dunno how anyone can like glenn beck and his waste of space cronies.
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30 Aug 2010, 15:40
American
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@foreverglow - I may be wrong, but I don't think that Glenn Beck or his "waste of space cronies" ever called it a civil rights rally. It's a Restoring Honor Rally. I listen to him every day from 8am-11am CST and he has always called it the Restoring Honor rally because we have left God and traditional values out for far too long.

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30 Aug 2010, 15:44
American
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@Anonymous Source - I don't think he called it a civil rights movement. If you can show me where he did, I'll look up the context myself. But as I told foreverglow, I listen to him every day and not once have I heard Glenn Beck call it a civil rights movement.
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30 Aug 2010, 19:10
Chris
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@iWRITE: He's said it more than a few times:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/27/AR2010082702359.html
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/0826/glenn-beck-dc-rally-reclaim-civil-rights-movement/
http://mediamatters.org/research/201008250039

He's said it on multiple occasions.

Also, I want to point out your comment to Greta Garbage: What do you mean we need to restore traditional values? Please elaborate on this point, as I don't know what "traditional values" are.
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30 Aug 2010, 22:26
American
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I would like to say that 2 out of 3 of those links talk about something he said a year ago and that he has, multiple times, retracted and said he was wrong about. Yet they mix it in to try and paint an untrue picture of what Beck is trying to do today. In light of that, I can't really take them too seriously. Media Matters seemed to be the only one worth reading, but even among all the quotes in that article (they did a good job of chronicling them, too), only one quote had anything about the civil rights movement.

As far as I can tell, those quotes from those three articles all quote the one (possibly two) time he said he was hoping to reclaim the civil rights movement. What it doesn't point out is that he has explained the purpose of this rally to be in the hope of restoring honor, integrity and values many more times than he has mentioned the civil rights movement. He believes that the civil rights movement that MLK led has been distorted and he just wants to restore the values behind MLK's speech[es]. His focus was to restore honor. Hence why it was called the Restoring Honor Rally.

I don't think you're so ignorant to what traditional values are. I would contend that you merely want to pick at someone else's values just because yours may not be the same. Which is, in truth, my very point of why we must restore traditional values. Nevertheless, I will respond.

Traditional values: patriotism, right to life, fidelity in marriage, religious freedom, and charity. I'm sure you could find a list of more, but those are the ones off the top of my head. I believe that traditional values and morals can be upheld and reinforced through religion. I will quote George Washington:

"Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports….And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. – Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure—reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." --His Farewell Address, 1796 (Washington's Farewell Address)
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30 Aug 2010, 22:34
Chris
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I don't think you're so ignorant to what traditional values are. I would contend that you merely want to pick at someone else's values just because yours may not be the same. Which is, in truth, my very point of why we must restore traditional values. Nevertheless, I will respond.

That's not true at all. I asked the question because it's completely subjective, and means something different to everyone, and you can't force one person's or one group of people's version of "values" on everyone else.

Traditional values: patriotism, right to life, fidelity in marriage, religious freedom, and charity. I'm sure you could find a list of more, but those are the ones off the top of my head. I believe that traditional values and morals can be upheld and reinforced through religion.

-Patriotism is a wasted effort. America's history has a lot more bad than it has good, and you can't help that. There's no reason to be proud of it. Simply being born here isn't a good enough reason. That being said, you can't force patriotism.
-Right to life is pretty much a given all over the world. In the parts of the world that DON'T promote a right to life, I bet you there are efforts to make it true.
-Fidelity in marriage - so you want to make adultery and divorce illegal?
-Religious freedom - That's funny because these people all want to ban the Muslim recreation center near ground zero from being made.
-Charity can't be forced. Or else it's not charity.

I'm sure George Washington believed that, but there are people who disagree with him. Quoting someone else, regardless of how well-known they are, doesn't give the argument that Christian values should be enforced anymore strength than it has.
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30 Aug 2010, 22:50
American
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Which is precisely my point. We are not trying to force people to adhere to Christian morals. We want to restore honor and traditional values as a whole. The very fact that you responded the way you have just proves why I think they need to be restored.

-Patriotism is a wasted effort to a lot of people today. Hence why we believe it must be restored.
-Fidelity in marriage - I never said anything about turning traditional values into law.
-Religious freedom-I've responded to that already. How is it religious freedom when they want the mosque built but not the Greek Orthodox church? Especially since the GO church existed before 9/11 and the mosque did not. That's not religious freedom, that's picking and choosing one group over another, for whatever reason. And the main point isn't that they don't have the freedom to their religion (their are over 100 mosques in NY, one of them being only a few blocks from where they are trying to build that one) because they can worship whomever they like in whatever religion they choose. But there should be some sensitivity to the place WHERE they want to worship being so close to ground zero. Religious freedom also means that if a group of students and teachers want to pray, why should they be stopped? If someone wants to put a nativity scene up somewhere on public land, why should they be stopped? You're telling me that Christians can't organize prayer in schools or put up a nativity scene around Christmas time or say Merry Christmas as opposed to Happy Holidays without getting railed for it but Muslims can build a mosque anywhere they choose no matter the reasons not to? That is religious freedom? That is the purpose of restoring religious freedom.
-Charity - I don't mean just monetary charity. I mean charity in your actions towards other people.

Again, not meaning to force people to partake in these values. The point is to restore the desire to have them just as our forefathers did. The very fact that some people nowadays do disagree with George Washington only strengthens my argument that people are abandoning traditional values and that I believe we need to restore them.
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30 Aug 2010, 22:57
Chris
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The very fact that you responded the way you have just proves why I think they need to be restored.

In what way? I responded in the exact same tone you responded in.

We want to restore honor and traditional values as a whole.

By doing what? I don't understand the point, if you have absolutely no plans to do anything, then what's the point? What are you restoring if your goal isn't actually to enforce these values you're all preaching about?

-Nothing will change with a restoration in patriotism except for an increase in alienation of other nations.
-So then what are you trying to promote?
-Why do you people keep going on about the Greek Orthodox Church? Seriously, I want you to do something for me. Open up Google, and type in "Greek Orthodox Church New York." Do you know why the city's commission denied it (NOT the government)? There are six of them with in a mile of each other. Show me how many Muslim recreation centers are within this area.

Not that it matters, the government had nothing to do with the blocking of the Greek Orthodox Church being build.
-Charity - okay...

The very fact that some people nowadays do disagree with George Washington only strengthens my argument that people are abandoning traditional values and that I believe we need to restore them.

So what's the difference between disagreeing with George Washington and Barack Obama? They were both United States presidents. Does George Washington being older give him some sort of higher credibility than any other United States president? Why is it necessary that non-religious people must agree with George Washington's views on religion? I'm not seeing your logic here.
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28 Aug 2010, 02:12
& skull.
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i don't like seeing chuck norris and sarah palin in the same sentence.
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28 Aug 2010, 03:29
Jessica [Private]
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Yeah I love how I missed Chuck Norris the first time I read this thread.
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28 Aug 2010, 03:33
Chris
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Chuck Norris is a pretty big Tea Party supporter, yo. Not surprised, either, seeing as he's an old, white southerner.
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29 Aug 2010, 06:34
& skull.
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i'm not surprised, just disappointed. he used to be cool.
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28 Aug 2010, 03:34
Love Bipolar Inc
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my friend's parents are (not sure about her) in the tea party. She probably is, too, because she's like really conservative. If I go I'd be the one throwing rotten tomatoes at them.
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28 Aug 2010, 03:36
Chris
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@LBI: I know a couple of guys who are heading over there with racist signs and extremely hateful things in order to gain negative media attention.

I'm going to laugh when it works.
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29 Aug 2010, 21:34
kein mitleid
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@ Love Bipolar:

Throwing anything at anyone for simply their political beliefs is quite possibly one of the most intolerant, close-minded things of which I've heard. Would you find it acceptable to throw rotten tomatoes at people in a gay pride parade, or at the Million Man march, or walking into church on Sunday, or any of a million things free people do in America?

Simply because you disagree with the idiotic politics of another person does not mean it is acceptable to assault them.
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29 Aug 2010, 22:34
Chris
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@kein mitleid: You should really differentiate between what people say they do versus what someone would actually do.

People exaggerate all the time about what they're going to do, and they never do it. Just like how I know she wouldn't be throwing anything at anyone if she were there. For instance, if someone walked up to me and insulted my sexuality, I can say I would punch them in the face. I probably wouldn't.
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30 Aug 2010, 03:04
kein mitleid
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@Anonymous:

I guess I'm just from the school of "mean what you say." When I say I'm going to do something, I do it. I'm not big on bullshit.

@Love:

Boo hoo, you said something I thought was close-minded, and now I'm the bad guy because "I judged you." Except for the fact, you know, I judged your statement, never said anything about you in particular. Nice try.
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30 Aug 2010, 03:32
Chris
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@kein mitleid: Since when is exaggeration "bullshit"? It's pretty common in the English language. In any language, I should say.
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30 Aug 2010, 05:38
kein mitleid
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@Anonymous: Since when hasn't exaggeration been "bullshit?" I was under the belief that someone says something like, "Yo, I had this super-hot bitch come onto me last night" and under one's breath one thinks, "Bullshit" as in, "You're lying or exaggerating."

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30 Aug 2010, 05:41
Chris
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@kein mitleid: Er, seeing as your scenario describes something completely subjective, as well as your point being completely irrelevant in this context, (unless I'm wrong), I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Speaking of context, you take it on a case-by-case basis. Someone saying, "I'm going to go to Fox News and punch Glenn Beck in the face and burn down Fox News headquarters," isn't actually a legitimate threat, funnily enough.
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29 Aug 2010, 22:39
Love Bipolar Inc
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@Anon: thank you, exactly.

@Kein: What Anon just said. I would never assault anyone for any reason (unless its self defense). I was just expressing my frustration over Glenn Beck and his idealism. I happen to be pretty open-minded about a lot of things and tolerant. But you wouldn't know that because you just judged me on one comment I made. I'm pretty much a nice person overall.
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28 Aug 2010, 03:37
Love Bipolar Inc
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@ Anon: Me too! I need a good laugh right about now.
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