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Socialism and the US
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22 Oct 2009, 22:17
Moonlight Shadows
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So.. who has an issue with the US becoming a socialist country? If so, why?
Just curious :)
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22 Oct 2009, 22:21
Chris
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I don't have an issue with it because the US isn't becoming a socialist country.
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22 Oct 2009, 22:24
Moonlight Shadows
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lol.. thats not what some people say. Basically "Obama is going to run this country into the ground by making it a socialist country" I hear a lot. So I'm curious what would be so horrible about that.

That and the abortion issue seem to be people's main problem with him from what I've seen.
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22 Oct 2009, 22:29
Chris
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You hear that a lot and them you remember half the people you run into in America are HURP DURP retarded.
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22 Oct 2009, 22:41
Moonlight Shadows
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HAHA fair enough. ;-D
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22 Oct 2009, 22:32
Acid Fairy
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What exactly does socialism really mean? I'm a Brit so I only understand the terms labour, conservative and liberal democrat ;)
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22 Oct 2009, 22:35
Chris
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The real definition of socialism is an economic theory which, in laymans terms, means everyone gets equal pay and resources.

In American-Conservative land, it means "DEY TURK ALL URR MURNEYZZZ HURR DURKUR DURR!"
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22 Oct 2009, 23:35
Acid Fairy
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So a basic form of communism? Ugh no thanks!
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23 Oct 2009, 01:25
Moonlight Shadows
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not necessarily.. if done correct, i think socialism might actually work.. i mean consider this:

EVERYONE has the right to healthcare
EVERYONE has the right to a proper education
Barely, if any homeless
There isn't the huge barrier that there is now between rich and poor.

i agree that it is a form of communism but there are some differences.

i dunno.. Denmark seems to have it right.. *shrug*
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23 Oct 2009, 01:37
Acid Fairy
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Oh I agree with access to health care and education, 100%. But I have aspirations of being rich. As long as I can still be rich, then I'm all for it ;)
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23 Oct 2009, 01:40
~*Jodi*~
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Actually - communism is a form of socialism...socialism is not a form of communism. Socialism is more broad.

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23 Oct 2009, 01:43
~*Jodi*~
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A good example that explains the exact relationship between "communism" and "socialism" would be to examine the two terms "Catholic" and "Christian". Obviously, though they share a relationship, they are not interchangeable. You could for example, say that the Pope is a "Christian". But you could not say that Billy Graham is a "Catholic".

Basically the difference is this:

SOCIALISM - From each according to his ability, to each according to his deeds.

COMMUNISM - From each according to his abiliy, to each according to his needs.
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23 Oct 2009, 01:45
Chris
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The thing is, we have obstacles other, much smaller countries don't have to worry about. We have a GIANT number of people in this country as well as states' rights to worry about.

The sheer number of people in this country alone as well as the government's ability to do anything right is keeping us from having a successful socialist state. Our only choice really is to stick to the loose capitalism we have now. It works.
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23 Oct 2009, 02:06
Moonlight Shadows
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the only thing i'll disagree with in your statement is that what we're doing now is "working".

i hardly call the mess that we're in now working. I s'pose what we're doing now is surviving... merely, at that.
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23 Oct 2009, 02:11
Chris
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Trust me, the system we have now is working pretty efficiently. Someone fucked up along the road and started spending money we don't have on things we didn't want to spend it on. Otherwise, we have a system where there's an incentive to work harder for a greater reward, which in turn is helping the economy. It's a win-win. It's been working ever since it was invented.
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23 Oct 2009, 20:24
~RedFraggle~
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everyone gets equal pay and resources

Isn't that communism?
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23 Oct 2009, 20:27
Chris
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Yeah, you're right. I got confused.

I mean reallocated pay and resources, not equal.
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22 Oct 2009, 22:36
~*Jodi*~
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I did take this from Wikipedia. lol.

"Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.[1][2][3]

Most socialists share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to Maximize their potentialities[4] and does not utilise technology and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public.[5]"

Basically socialism is the opposite of capitalism.
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23 Oct 2009, 20:27
~RedFraggle~
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Americans keep claiming that the UK is a socialist country. But we're certainly a capitalist country, and from what you're saying we can't be both.

(I'd always thought of communism as the opposite of capitalism, not socialism, but I don't really know)
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22 Oct 2009, 22:35
~*Jodi*~
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Capitalism is still alive in the US, and I don't see it going anywhere any time soon. People say that about Obama because they like to scare other people into not liking him, and claiming that he's a socialist is "scary" for some people. It could only be worse if they called him a communist. lol. Lots of us remember and lived through the Cold War. Calling someone a communist back then is the equivalent of calling someone a "terrorist" today. lol.
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22 Oct 2009, 22:36
Chris
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Oh, they've called him a terrorist too. Think of any major political insult invented in the past hundred years. It's been used on Obama.
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23 Oct 2009, 01:38
Acid Fairy
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How about Nazi, has that been used?!

Ahh I love Obama. I'm not very keyed up on his policies, but he's just uber cool.
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23 Oct 2009, 01:39
Chris
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Oh dude, go check out the videos from the 9/12 tea party protests. They called him a Nazi at LEAST 350 times.
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22 Oct 2009, 23:26
Doc
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This thread has promise. Should be quite interesting.
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23 Oct 2009, 01:14
Moonlight Shadows
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i agree.. thats why i posted it ;-D
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