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dead baby found alive
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10 Aug 2009, 14:24
Mami 2 ♥ 1
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I hope this works i dont think i have ever had any luck posting videos in the forums. If it doesnt i will post a direct link.



http://video.aol.com/aolvideo/AOL News/baby-declared-dead-turns-up-alive/32808134001
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10 Aug 2009, 18:14
Acid Fairy
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'Dead baby found alive'.... makes no sense! It should be, 'Baby thought to be dead actually not.' Haha.
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10 Aug 2009, 14:30
Estella
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GOSH, THERE ARE A LOT OF FORUM THREADS ABOUT BABIES, YO! GENERALLY BABIES TREATED BADLY OR KILLED. I WONDER WHY THIS IS THE MOST INTERESTING TOPIC FOR PEOPLE.
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10 Aug 2009, 14:31
Mami 2 ♥ 1
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probably because thats all that is in the media...they dont usually put happy stories about babies in the news.
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10 Aug 2009, 14:57
Estella
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WELL, YES, YO - MEDIA TENDS TO FOCUS ON THE NEGATIVE. BUT BLOOPERS TEND TO FOCUS ON THE BABY STORIES, I FIND. THEY SEEM TO HOLD THE MOST INTEREST. MAYBE BECAUSE LOTS OF YOUNG MOMMIES HERE?
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10 Aug 2009, 15:01
Estella
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WELL, YES, YO - MEDIA TENDS TO FOCUS ON THE NEGATIVE. BUT BLOOPERS TEND TO FOCUS ON THE BABY STORIES, I FIND. THEY SEEM TO HOLD THE MOST INTEREST. MAYBE BECAUSE LOTS OF YOUNG MOMMIES HERE?
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10 Aug 2009, 15:08
Mami 2 ♥ 1
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you are probably right
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13 Aug 2009, 13:19
melodye
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And old mummies.
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13 Aug 2009, 13:25
Estella
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HAHA - I MEANT YOUNG AS IN THEIR KIDS ARE YOUNG, YO. LIKE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN MOMMIES FOR VERY LONG.
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13 Aug 2009, 13:27
melodye
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I know. I was just being silly. I do fine it amusing that we are a young family even though my partner is almost 40. lol.
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10 Aug 2009, 14:55
chelseaz
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that's weird. I'm pretty sure the doctor's screwed up on that one. especially if they were wrong with the baby's gender! sheesh.
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10 Aug 2009, 15:17
Azkabound
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Confusion on gender occurs a lot more than you think. The 'guidelines' of sort are ambiguous and really go from doctor to doctor. They'll focus on appearance of the 'ambiguous' genitalia rather than functionality. (There are cases when problems would arise but they're outweighed)
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11 Aug 2009, 14:46
lithium layouts.
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I'm curious - what do you mean between appearance and functionality? Like how can you ascertain functionality by just looking at it? I mean it might look normal but be completely non-functional. Although the flipside makes sense - you could have ambiguous-looking genitalia and it could still be fully functional. And, stupid question, are there only problems when the genitalia is 'ambiguous'? Do you think the baby in this case had genitalia of ambiguous appearance? Is that the operational definition of gender confusion?

And I wonder the baby was given a little hit on the bum to startle it, but the hit failed? And I wonder if they auscultated the chest for a heart beat? So many questions I have. xD
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11 Aug 2009, 14:46
lithium layouts.
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I wonder if*
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11 Aug 2009, 15:00
Azkabound
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I had a gender studies course where there was this interesting (and disturbing) piece. What I mean by appearance over functionality is this; if a baby is born with what the doctor considers ambiguous genitals (a chromosomal female with a 'long' clitoris or male with a short penis), they take it on their own shoulders to 'correct' this, more often than not just cutting whatever genitalia shorter, making the baby a girl despite what chromosome pairs they really have.

For males if the penis isn't a certain length, doctors will go 'they can't urinate standing up; surely emotionally damaging', and yeah, I think for many that would be damaging, but being a different gender (forced) because of a decision made when the person couldn't really say anything to stop it. It also doesn't take in to account that perhaps by puberty things may have progressed toward the better. Many of the individuals in my readings that found out about this happening to them had issue with it; they felt insecure sexually (the scarring, etc), while those that didn't undergo the surgical procedure grew up to have perfectly healthy sex lives (and for that case, romantic partnerships).

(on the other hand, my internet isn't cooperating with me so I can't comment further. I was just making a remark based on another comment since gender confusion really is more common than people realize)
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11 Aug 2009, 22:53
lithium layouts.
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Gosh, that's incredible. How old are the cases you studied? Surely this sort of thing is no longer practised today? It seems absurd to me that doctors would take on that task without consulting the parents or even letting the baby be until they were old enough to make the decision for themselves when they were older. I'm not doubting that it happened. I just can't believe the contrast between that and what we med students are being taught today.
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12 Aug 2009, 01:06
Azkabound
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The studies weren't obscenely out of date. I'm pretty sure this one in particular was published after the year 2000. It sort of surprised me because you would think that puberty would be taken in to account. I'd have to look at my folder for that course though to know for sure. It just seems a bit hasty especially when the organs are functional. :/
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13 Aug 2009, 02:18
Sunlight Silence
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No it's definitely still practiced today. Most doctors try to tell the parents they should just raise the babies as females. The doctors technically get the parents' consent to do it, even when they don't mean to cause harm. Often it's because the parents don't have all the right information and are in a state of crisis so they'll consent to anything the doctor tells them to. This often causes a lot of problems for the entire family. Ambiguous genitalia can happen if the baby is exposed to too much testosterone in the womb or if there is a genetic condition, one of the most known conditions being androgen insensitivity disorder.

However, it IS moving towards different practices. Genetic counselors, if the hospitals have them, are good for explaining what's going on and dealing with the psychosocial issues so parents can understand their choices more clearly. More and more places are moving towards an informed consent of the affected person way of doing things... in that the parents consent to have chromosome analysis performed to determine the genetic sex of the child, raise the child according to the genetic sex, and then wait until the child is old enough to decide if they are want boy or girl parts. One of the biggest reasons parents give for doing the surgery at birth is that they think the child could be psychologically damaged by growing up with ambiguous genitalia. It's certainly a concern. It's not an easy decision for parents, either way. I think more awareness of ambiguous genitalia will help things, but right now, it's still not in the best state.
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12 Aug 2009, 11:03
~RedFraggle~
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That doesn't happen. At least not these days. I guess it's possible it happened in the past, and I could believe it still happens in some third world countries. It'd never happen now, at least not in countries like the US or the UK. I used to work in paeds, and we did the baby checks before the babies went home. One of them was checking genitalia and we certainly NEVER reacted to anything by carrying out surgery without consent (and I highly doubt any doctors would act on ambiguous genitalia so early in life. It's far more likely they would observe the child for a few years and run more tests. Not just rush into dangerous and possibly unnecessary surgery).
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12 Aug 2009, 19:30
Azkabound
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This is a situation where I REALLY don't mind being wrong in, so any reinforcement that it doesn't happen presently is welcome. I believe some of the consent issues was with the doctor's worries coupled with the parents simply not knowing the whole situation in order to make an informed decision. I'd hope there wouldn't be the need to 'fix' things so quickly when that's a matter that isn't life threatening. Bah.
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10 Aug 2009, 20:31
Fiat
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I just heard that the baby died after all. :(
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11 Aug 2009, 08:02
& skull.
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you don't have luck posting videos in forums, because you can't. the code doesn't work in the forums.
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11 Aug 2009, 13:49
Mami 2 ♥ 1
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ohhh haha thanks for telling me.
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11 Aug 2009, 14:27
& skull.
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i don't exactly understand why. i'm not too savvy in that area. it'd be cool if steve could change it so it works.
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