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Pronunciations
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27 Jul 2009, 14:23
Transit
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So, American's when don't pronounce straw to rhyme with store, which I find very odd! You can hear how I say straw and store in my latest entry.

Can someone record how American's say straw and store?

Any other odd pronunciations that the UKers, USAers and AUS's have?
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27 Jul 2009, 22:56
~RedFraggle~
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That's not just an American thing. When I say they them don't rhyme either.
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28 Jul 2009, 10:03
Jessica [Private]
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See the thing with American accents is, it can differ SO much depending on which state you go to.

Like myself, I apparently have this HUUUUGE Midwestern accent, which is I guess? similar in some ways to Canadian accents. Because I've been asked before if I'm from Canada. (I'm from Wisconsin)
Anonymous Source (He lives in Florida) makes fun of how I say things all the time. Like the name Josh for example. He claims I say it like Jash. :|
I guess I sound like I say a lot of things with A's instead of O's. I also apparently have a lisp? (News to me! hehe. ;D)

Or like Lauren who lives in Tennessee, she has the most ADORABLE southern accent EVAR. ;D With this drawl to it. So just going a few states south of me, she sounds like she lives in a different country ;D
Then again, the south is pretty much it's own country anyhow. ;)
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28 Jul 2009, 17:11
*Forever Changing*
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I have the same problem darling, I am from Wisconsin, and I draw out my O's a lot.
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29 Jul 2009, 08:19
Jessica [Private]
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Oh thank god, it's not just me ;D
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29 Jul 2009, 12:54
Estella
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ANONYMOUS SOURCE HAS A FUNNY ACCENT, YO! THE PUCK LAUGHS AT THE WAY HE SAYS THINGS! ;D

POST A YOUTUBE OF YOUR VOICE, YO! I WANT TO HEAR YOUR ACCENT.
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29 Jul 2009, 23:29
Jessica [Private]
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I'd need something to say lol. I can't just stare at my cam and ramble on about applesauce xD
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30 Jul 2009, 22:28
Lauren.
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lulz, you do have a HUGE Midwestern accent xD.

And yes, I am a southern belle. ;)

(P.S. You do say Josh like Jash!)
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31 Jul 2009, 03:21
Jessica [Private]
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PFFT I SAY TO YOU! Belles dun has the tongue piercings ;)
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28 Jul 2009, 17:12
Transit
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Video of me on my latest entry saying more things
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27 Jul 2009, 14:37
Transit
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Hmm, Google has informed me that straw can be pronounced, Str-o, strange.
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27 Jul 2009, 22:19
Estella
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YES, YO - BUT AMERICAN 'O' IS NOT THE SAME AS ENGLISH 'O'. IT IS MORE LIKE 'AW'. THINK OF HOW AMERICANS SAY THE WORD 'HOT' - THAT IS THEIR 'O'. NOT LIKE OURS. WE HAVE A UNIQUE 'O', WHICH AMERICANS DON'T USE.
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28 Jul 2009, 04:18
American
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We use 'O' that sounds like 'oh' ...it's called a long 'o.' i think.
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28 Jul 2009, 05:54
Estella
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THAT ONE IS DIFFERENT FROM OURS TOO. IT IS A DIPHTHONG, AND FOR YOU IT STARTS WITH A TYPE OF SHORT O AND THEN MOVES TO AN OO SOUND (PRACTICALLY SIMULTANEOUSLY, IN ONE SYLLABLE).

HOWEVER, ACCORDING TO MERRIAM WEBSTER, YOU USE THE SAME 'OH' SOUND IN BOTH STRAW AND STORE. BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND THAT WAY TO LISTEN.
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28 Jul 2009, 14:54
American
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I'm not sure what a "diphthong" is, but the long o sounds just like the letter when we say it when we say the alphabet. m-n-o-p, etc. I dunno 'bout you, but I don't make an aw-oo sound for my long o's. It sounds just like "Oh" as in, "Oh, no, I forgot my keys."
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28 Jul 2009, 14:59
Estella
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DIPHTHONG MEANS IT IS MADE OF TWO VOWELS. THE SOUND AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 'O' IS DIFFERENT FROM THE SOUND AT THE END. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A DRAWN OUT 'AW-OO', BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY LISTENED ON A SLOWED DOWN TAPE RECORDER, YOU'D HEAR THAT IT IS MADE FROM THOSE TWO SOUNDS. LIKE ON MY FAIR LADY, YO - WHEN HENRY HIGGINS SLOWS DOWN RECORDINGS AND SAYS THERE ARE LOTS OF VOWELS IN THEM. BUT WHEN YOU SAY IT NORMALLY, YOU DON'T HEAR IT UNLESS YOU LISTEN CAREFULLY AND MAYBE SLOW DOWN A BIT.
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28 Jul 2009, 15:03
American
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I'm sure if you did that, there'd be more to everything anybody said. That is not the point. The pronunciations still remain the same regardless of how some people actually say them (because accents differ, etc). Every syllable or vowel or word or sound or any other noises made with our mouths could, probably, be slowed down enough to find many different sounds in what we think is just one sound. However, the pronunciation of the long o and short o remain the same. O is like oh, like you're actually saying the letter and short o is like aw, as in hot.

Besides..what were we talking about again?
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28 Jul 2009, 15:07
Estella
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EH? NO, YO, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MONOTHONGS AND DIPHTHONGS IS THAT MONOTHONGS HAVE ONE VOWEL SOUND AND DIPHTHONGS HAVE TWO. SHORT 'O' IS A MONOTHONG; LONG 'O' IS A DIPHTHONG.

WHAT WERE WE TALKING ABOUT? I DO BELIEVE YOU WERE TELLING ME YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT A DIPHTHONG WAS, SO I TOLD YOU. I TAKE IT THAT WAS NOT WHAT YOU WANTED, AND YOU REALLY WISHED TO REMAIN IN IGNORANCE OF DIPHTHONGS? YOU MUST BE CLEARER ABOUT SUCH THINGS IN FUTURE, YO!
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28 Jul 2009, 15:19
American
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Ah, the beauty of speech and the people whop use it to try and make others look like a fool. Funny though, how your definiton of diphthong and merriam-websters are different.

I was not caring to know about a diphthong, and I did not ask you about it. I was talking about the long/short o. With another letter, yes, it can make a diphthong. But as in the word nope, the long o just sounds like "oh," no diphthong.

In the word toy there is a diphthong, where the o slides into the y.

"In the International Phonetic Alphabet, pure vowels are transcribed with one letter, as in English sun [sʌn]. Diphthongs are transcribed with two letters, as in English sign [saɪ̯n] or sane [seɪ̯n]."

Dihpthong is two letters sliding into one sound. I was talking about the pure vowel o, and the long and short pronunciations of it.

Do not just place ignorance, or the desire to remain so, on people without properly understanding them. I did not ask about a diphthong when you mentioned because it wasn't relevant to the long o sound.
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28 Jul 2009, 15:34
Estella
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AH, GOOD, YO, YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE IPA. NOW GO LOOK AT WHAT IT HAS FOR THE AMERICAN PRONUNCIATION OF WHAT YOU CALL 'LONG O'. YOU WILL FIND A JOLLY OLD DIPHTHONG, YO! THERE IS NO PURE LONG 'O' IN THE STANDARD AMERICAN PHONETIC INVENTORY. AND INDEED, THE SOUND THAT IS REPRESENTED BY AN 'O' (A PURE SOUND FOR THE SCOTS) HAS A DIFFERENT PLACEMENT IN THE MOUTH FROM WHAT YOU CALL THE SHORT 'O', SO THEY ARE NOT RELATED, OTHER THAN BY SPELLING.

THIS IS GETTING SILLY, YO. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN MAKING YOU LOOK LIKE A FOOL, BUT YOU ARE MAKING YOURSELF LOOK LIKE ONE. LIKE, I KNOW THIS STUFF, YO. LIKE, PROPERLY. YOU ARGUING WITH ME IS LIKE AN ENGLISH PERSON SAYING TO A FRENCHMAN THAT HIS FRENCH IS ALL WRONG, BECAUSE IT IS DIFFERENT FROM SOMETHING THAT THE ENGLISH PERSON LEARNT IN PRIMARY SCHOOL FRENCH LESSONS FROM A TEACHER WHO DIDN'T KNOW FRENCH PROPERLY.

IF YOU ARE GENUINELY INTERESTED IN THIS STUFF, I RECOMMEND YOU READ LADEFOGED. IF YOU SIMPLY WANT TO PLAY ONE-UP-MANSHIP GAMES AND BEAT ME, FIND A DIFFERENT SUBJECT WHICH YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THAN I DO, AND I WILL SIMPLY SAY 'GOSH, YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO' AND YOU CAN FEEL ALL HAPPY, YO! HOW ABOUT FOOTBALL?
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28 Jul 2009, 15:45
American
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I have been looking for the long o sound in the american, but i have yet to find it. If you could send a link, that would be great.

You always have an interest in trying to make others look like a fool, whether they are one or not.

I have no interest in games on anything other than my xbox. Please respond with a link, I'll be back. My wife is badgering me to get off this "blasted computer." O.o
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28 Jul 2009, 16:18
Estella
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NAH, IT'S MORE THAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE AN INTEREST IN ARGUING CROSSLY WITH ME, UNDER THE VARIOUS DIARY NAMES YOU'VE HAD. YOU DON'T LIKE ME, YO, AND SO YOU LIKE TO TRY TO PROVE ME TO BE A MEANIE. WHICH I FIND FASCINATING, AS I'VE BARELY INTERACTED WITH YOU, SO YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW ME AT ALL. YOU'VE BASED IT ON THE CAPS AND YO'S IN THE PAST, BUT I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER REASONS.

ANYWAY, HONESTLY, I HAVE NO INTEREST IN WHETHER YOU LOOK A FOOL OR NOT. I ALSO DON'T THINK LACK OF KNOWLEDGE (OR IGNORANCE) ABOUT A CERTAIN TOPIC IMPLIES FOOLISHNESS. I ONLY HAVE INTEREST IN TALKING ABOUT WHAT INTERESTS ME, AND TO POINT OUT IF SOMETHING IS INCORRECT - IT IS ABOUT THE SUBJECT MATTER, NOT THE PERSON. I AM ALSO HAPPY FOR PEOPLE TO CORRECT ME IF I SAY SOMETHING INCORRECT - I NEVER THINK THEY ARE MAKING ME LOOK A FOOL (ALTHOUGH POSSIBLY, SINCE THIS IS YOUR INTERPRETATION, THAT MAY INDEED BE THEIR SECRET DESIRE! BUT I DON'T CARE, YO! I AM HAPPY TO ADMIT IGNORANCE ABOUT SUBJECTS I DON'T KNOW - IT IS HOW ONE LEARNS).

FOR AMERICAN VOWELS (INCLUDING DIPHTHONGS) GO HERE. LOOK AT TABLE 4.2. INTERESTINGLY 'BORE' IS SHOWN TO USE THE 'AW' VOWEL, BUT 'BOAR' IN BRACKETS, USES THE 'OH' DIPHTHONG, ALONG WITH 'BOAT' AND 'LOW'. YOU CAN CLICK ON THE COLUMNS TO LISTEN, YO. AND YOU CAN SEE THE ENGLISH SOUNDS IN THE COLUMN UNDERNEATH.
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29 Jul 2009, 22:42
serendipity.
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I was just reading this fascinating argument (xD) and yes, I must comment... I'm not sure if you were saying that "bore" and "boar" were pronounced differently, but to me, they sound the same. And the vowel sound that is made in "boar" and "bore" is the same to me as "boat" and very similar to that of "low".
Bah, language is strange. xD
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29 Jul 2009, 22:50
Estella
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I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE TABLE I LINKED TO SAID - IT SEEMED TO SUGGEST THAT IN AMERICAN PRONUNCIATION, BOAR COULD BE SOMETIMES PRONOUNCED DIFFERENTLY FROM BORE - I ASSUME THE BRACKETS AROUND IT SUGGEST THAT THIS DIFFERENCE DOES NOT ALWAYS HAPPEN, YO. I'VE NEVER HEARD THE TWO WORDS PRONOUNCED DIFFERENTLY.

YOU HAVE CANADIAN PRONUNCIATION THOUGH - SO YOU TOTALLY HAVE QUIRKS THAT THE AMERICANS DON'T HAVE! BOAT AND LOW HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME VOWEL IN MY ENGLISH ACCENT - BUT I KNOW THEY ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IN CANADIAN ENGLISH. YOUR VOWELS CHANGE SLIGHTLY WHEN YOU END THEM WITH A 'T'. YOU SAY THEM MORE TIGHTLY. AND I DO BELIEVE THE SOUND YOU MAKE IN 'BOAT' AND 'LOW' IS RATHER CLOSER TO 'OO' THAN OURS IS.
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29 Jul 2009, 23:10
serendipity.
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I see what you're saying about the tighter pronounciation when ending with a "T". I can see it completely in "boat". But I don't think it's pronounced anything like "oo." To me, "oo" sounds like.. "school", which to me sounds nothing like "boat" or "low"
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